HomeMy Public PortalAbout1997-11-18 AttorneyClient FeuerringBAL HARBOUR VILLAGE
ATTORNEY-CL I ENT SESSION
Re; FEUERRING VS . VILLAGE OF BAL HARBOUR
November 18, 1997
655 -96th Street
Bal Harbour, Florida
6:00 o'clock p.m.
PERSONAL TOUCH REPORTING, INC. (305) 944-9884
MAYOR ESTELLE SPIEGEL
ASSISTANT MAYOR ANDREW HIRSCHL
COUNCILMAN JAMES E. BOGGESS
COUNCILMAN PEG E. GORSON
COUNCILMAN ANDREW R. HIRSCHL
COUNCILMAN DANIELS. TANTLEFF
ALFRED J. TREPPEDA, VILLAGE MANAGER
DAVID WOLPIN, ESQ.
Weiss, Serota & Helfman, P.A.
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1 THEREUPON, THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE HAD:
2 MR. WOLPIN: At this time, we are having
3 the attorney-client session in reference to
4 the litigation that's pending, Feuerring vs.
5 Village of Bal Harbour.
6 At this time, I would ask the Mayor to
7 read the statement that's required by Florida
8 law.
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MAYOR SPIEGEL: Okay . Do you want the
roll call first?
MR. WOLPIN: Yes. That will be fine.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: May we have the roll
call, please?
MS. HORTON: Mayor Spiegel?
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Here.
MS. HORTON: Assistant Mayor Hirsch?
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: Here.
MS. HORTON: Councilman Boggess?
MR. BOGGESS: Here.
MS. HORTON: Councilman Gorson:
COUNCILMAN GORSON: Here.
MS. HORTON: Councilman Tantleff?
COUNCILMAN TANTLEFF: Here.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Now, we are about to have
an attorney-client session in accordance with
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Florida Statute 286.011. The session is
estimated to last one hour or less, and the
following people will be in attendance at this
meeting:
Myself and the Village Council members,
Andy Hirschl, James Boggess, Peg Gorson, and
Daniel Tantleff; Village attorneys, Richard J.
Weiss and David Wolpin --or it should be
Richard or --
MR. WOLPIN: I am here. For the record,
David Wolpin.
Richard Weiss had to leave the meeting so
he won't be here this evening.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: We also have our Village
Manager, Alfred J. Treppeda.
We also should acknowledge that we have
our Village Clerk.
MR. WOLPIN: Right, the Village Clerk.
Under a peculiarity of State law, the Village
Clerk will be required to leave in a minute.
Under this item four here --
MAYOR SPIEGEL: These proceedings will be
recorded by a certified court reporter and at
the conclusion of all litigation discussed,
the transcript will be made part of the public
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record.
All those individuals who I have not
named should leave the room at this time.
(Thereupon, Ms. Horton left the room,
after which the following proceedings were
had:)
MR. WOLPIN: Under the current Florida
law that allows this closed session for
attorney-client matters, the Legislature in
their wisdom forgot t include the Village
Clerk. So therefore Village Clerks, although
they're responsible for all meetings and
minutes, cannot stay at this meeting.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Why don't we have them
correct that?
MR. WOLPIN: Well, maybe that's something
that could be worked on for the next
legislative program.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: I think it's a good idea
because we need her to be here for the
recording to make sure that it's all going.
MR. WOLPIN: Right. We have the court
reporter present
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Right. Do we need to
announce her name?
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MR. WOLPIN: It's not necessary.
So at this time we are really in our --
right now at this second, the attorney-client
session is commencing and I would like to
briefly
MAYOR SPIEGEL: I'll reopen the public
meeting.
MR. WOLPIN: No. That will open after
the attorney-client meeting.
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MAYOR SPIEGEL: Okay.
MR. WOLPIN: So now we are in our closed
attorney-client session. As you know, this is
one of the very few matters that are allowed
to be closed under Florida law. However,
whatever is said will be in the court
reporter's transcript and whenever this
litigation is finely concluded, that
transcript will become a public record.
The purpose of this meeting as allowed by
State law is to discuss litigation strategies
that relate to litigation expenditures and
settlement offerings received.
We have received a settlement proposal
from the attorney for the Feuerrings. I would
like to distribute this to the Council. You
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may have previously seen a copy of this
proposal.
I would like to go over it with you
briefly and then get the Council discussion of
the potentials on this matter.
I'll just basically go through what this
case is about. You will recall that several
months ago after a public hearing, the Village
Council denied a request for a sidewalk
setback variance at a cooperative building.
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That setback was requested to enable the
new owner of the units at the property to
combine a first floor unit and a second floor
unit to exist as one unit by building an
outside staircase on the outside of the
building.
You will recall that there was some
testimony as to difficulties --allegedly
difficulties of cutting through the slab to do
it interior instead of on the exterior. There
was a mention of various factors.
However, the property owner has now tried
to bring to the Village's attention in the
form of a settlement proposal some additional
information which they failed to present at
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the time of the hearing.
If in its discretion the Village Council
decides that the new evidence should be
received and a reconsideration of the matter
be accomplished, then the proper vehicle would
be to authorize us to ask the Court to remand
the matter to you for a new hearing, and
that's at your discretion.
Just to go over briefly this proposed
settlement. At the hearing, the transcript of
the actual hearing of the Village Council
shows that it was mentioned in passing --when
it was suggested that an elevator could be
built in the interior of these two units, it
was mentioned in passing that Mrs. Feuerring
suffers from claustrophobia.
brief statement.
It was a very
What the Feuerrings have now attempted to
do is to demonstrate by a medical letter that
the claustrophobia problem that Mrs. Feuerring
has is a long term matter over a period of
decades. This is something they did not
present to the Village Council at the time of
the hearing on this item.
Another matter. Whereas their engineer
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that appeared at the public hearing alluded to
certain "difficulties" or problems in cutting
through the slab and making an interior
staircase, they have now attempted to present
to the Village more information which provides
a greater analysis rather than mere
conclusions that were presented by the
;~:i-roperty owner at the public hearing.
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So they're trying to show that they
re~lly didn't explain their case very well
earlier. They are trying to show that they
really would have extreme difficulty in being
able to, in their opinion, build this
staircase interior.
They provide engineering materials that
show the existing slab conditions and what
would be entailed in cutting through that slab
and the difficulties that would be created.
Finally, they also show in paragraph
three the unusual circumstances of the case.
And I say unusual not technically from a
zoning standpoint, but from a personal
standpoint.
Apparently, what the Feuerrings did is
that they purchased not only two units. They
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actually purchased a third unit in this
building. This is a two story building owned
in a cooperative form.
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What they did, they found one unit on the
bottom floor and they found that the unit
immediately above it was occupied by some
other people in an elderly and poor health
condition.
Well, they made a transaction with these
other people and convinced them to move into
another unit which the Feuerrings purchased
and gave for the use of this other couple with
no charge whatsoever except that the other
couple would have to pay the maintenance fees
that are required on the property. so in
essence, they bought three units to accomplish
their purpose of having two units to be
combined.
Now, naturally we are not commenting on
the wisdom of that. Obviously, a prudent
person would first come in and get your
variances before you do a purchase.
We don't know .why they didn't do that.
They have not specifically stated why it is
they purchased these three units without first
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getting a variance, but being this was made in
the form of an offer, we are required to
present to you this additional information.
Further, although not stated in this
letter, the attorneys for the Feuerrings have
also advised us that they would like to make a
donation to the Village to cover costs related
to the ADA, Americans with Disability Act,
improvements to the Village Hall to a certain
extent.
That is something that they voluntarily
offered. They know that it does not in any
way al l ow them or grant them the right to a
variance.
Alternatively, the council may determine
that if the council decides to in any way
rehear this matter what should be done is that
the Village be made whole of any attorney's
fees that it has paid in this transaction for
our own legal services. That is certainly
within your discretion.
So it would be within your discretion to
determine that the matter should be
considered, that the matter should be r e manded
by the Circuit court for a new hearing, or
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simply to decide that we should proceed --you
have discussed, this received this offer, but
if you don't feel it's appropriate to take any
different action, then we'll just proceed on
the present course of defending this
litigation.
As far as litigation strategy and
expenses, it should be noted that one of the
factors is that under the Bal· Harbour Village
Code, one is not entitled to a variance merely
because they want it. One is not entitled to
a variance merely because they desire to put
two units together. There are people
throughout the community living perfectly fine
lives in one unit.
So as a technical legal matter, the proof
falls far short of showing the practical
difficulty that the Village Code requires and
that practical difficulty standard means that
a reasonable use of the property cannot be
made in compliance with the existing
ordinances.
Obviously, a reasonable use can be made
as many people in that same building are
doing, making a reasonable use of one unit.
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But on the other side whereas that is the
law that is applicable, one fact matter that
the Village would have to overcome as part of
the litigation strategy is that in this
particular case, the staff had recommended in
favor of the granting of the variance and the
Village Council naturally in denying the
variance --and that was not the Village
Manager. It was the Building Official that
had written up the report on that.
Since then, procedures have changed a
little bit where the criteria are set forth by
the staff, but in a matter that might be
disputable by the evidence or otherwise, they
avoid making a recommendation which would
interfere or theoretically interfere with the
Council's decision making process. But that's
something I need to point out as part of the
understanding of this particular case.
So I just brought this to you for your
discussion. If you feel inclined to direct
any course of action for a remand of this
matter to your jurisdiction for a new hearing,
that's certainly up to your discretion. If
not, we'll just proceed ahead.
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ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: Proceed ahead.
That's my opinion.
MR. WOLPIN: There's no necessity for the
Council to actually issue any formal action at
this time. I have brought this to your
attention, and unless I hear anything to the
contrary --
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: You're getting ready
to hear it.
MR. WOLPIN: Okay.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: Not long ago --we
have not been very generous with granting
variances, but in thinking back, Dr. and Mrs.
Blatcher on Camden Court asked for a variance.
They wanted to go into the sideyard setback
and
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: Front setback.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: All right, whatever.
we granted that because it was posing a
bit of a hardship in order to enlarge their
house.
This particular building is the first
building --excuse me --the last building
within the security district on Balbay Drive.
Next to it is the fence that delineates the
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security district and next to that is a
building owned by Mr. Luby. It's a rental
building.
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The only people who could ever see this
stairwell that they're proposing to construct
would be someone going by in a boat or someone
who was going through the gate of the security
fence.
I barely know the Feuerrings. I met
Ralph Feuerring 20 some years ago. It's
always, "How are you today?" and so forth.
Mrs. Feuerring, I don't know except I
made the mistake of speaking to her the other
day.
I don't know that what we shouldn't
revisit this. I don't think this is really an
unreasonable request. It's not a large
projection from the building. I don't find it
to be offensive. We have granted other
variances for what I think are probably less
valid reasons.
So I would think that perhaps we should
revisit this as a body.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: May I make a
comment, if I may?
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COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: Sure.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Sure.
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ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: The Blatcher
variance that you brought up was a front
setback variance and a small portion was
granted because the Architectural Review Board
told the Blatchers, come to the Council. We
endorse this particular variance in this
particular instance only because of the
irregular shaped lot and the hardship that was
presented to make it esthetically pleasing.
This Council in my the tenure has never
granted a side setback variance for legitimate
reasons, that being encroachment on what we
have, very, very tight lots platted currently.
If you recall in the packet when the
Feuerrings applied for their variance, there
was a letter from a Lori Swedroe, I believe,
who is a resident of that building whose
father is a noted architect in this community.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: Robert Swedroe.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: And the comment
in the letter was very clear and it said, we
don't disapprove at all of this request and we
hope that when we come, we can have a similar
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side setback request honored, too.
I don't know the Feuerrings, as you say
you know them. I don't know them. I feel
very badly as a councilman, as one of the five
representatives of our city, greeting new
residents this way by saying, I'm sorry.
Welcome to the community, but no you can't do
what you want to do.
I have never heard of in my tenure on
this Council of anyone coming to us after the
purchase for the variance and stipulating
they're buying based on that. It's the cart
before the horse in this particular instance.
To the contrary, I think that we would
being very wrong in granting a second hearing
of this nature. I think we very boldly and
very astutely denied the variance request
based on our City laws and based on the
reasons of proximity; that is side setback
issues.
I think it is a precedent setting mistake
and quite frankly, I think, ·Mr. Boggess, you
were the gentleman who brought up maybe they
could go through their outside terraces, which
still hasn't been looked at.
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COUNCILMAN BOGGESS:
an alternative.
I was trying to find
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: I agree with
you. I agree with that idea and I agree with
the internal staircase. I agree with an
elevator, whatever it is may be. I know there
are hardships in do i ng construction. I just
built a home. I know what it's like, but
that's not our problem and I think that if we
bring it back to this Council, it will be a
problem.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: Well, all you say is
true.
The letter from Lori swedroe I don't
think should have any bearing on this.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: But it does
because this was a resident --
MAYOR SPIEGEL: It does.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: Part of the
variance package, a variance application
package, is residents in a certain proximity
who have positive or negative comments. That
is included in the record. That is part of
the record, and that stands out in my mind as
a very frightening comment from the standpoint
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of side setback encroachment.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Setting a precedent.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: I think it is a
very dangerous thing to do.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: Lulu Swedroe owns a
small two bedroom apartment on the third floor
of this particular building. It's the middle
apartment. It's three bedrooms on the
MAYOR SPIEGEL: How does she get to the
third floor?
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: By elevator. There
is a stairway.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Yes.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: I don't know why
that was put in there. I just feel sorry for
these people because I think they were
mislead.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: I feel terrible
for these people.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: They were misled
into thinking as long as they got the approval
of the neighbors, then certainly the Council
would not disapprove.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: Again --
MAYOR SPIEGEL: This is the first time I
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have heard that they owned a third apartment.
Now, are the two apartments adjacent to each
other? They could have kept it and opened up
the wall without any problem.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: I don't know where
they put the Scalas. All I know --this is
the first I heard that they had bought an
apartment
MAYOR SPIEGEL: If they were adjacent,
certainly they could have made use of that
other apartment before they put the Scalas in
there. It seems like they could have just
joined the two together.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: I don't know where
the scalas are. I have no idea.
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MR. WOLPIN: I think it's adjacent, but I
don't know.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: That would be a --
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: It would have to be
adjacent to one of the apartments, either on
the second or the first floor.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: It's got to be adjacent.
COUNCILMAN TANTLEFF: It sounds from the
letter they put them on the third floor.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: First floor.
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COUNCILMAN TANTLEFF: It sounds like they
bought the first and the third and they moved
them from the second to the third.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: So the people to get to
the third floor do have an elevator. Can't
they use that elevator to get to their second
floor apartment?
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: She has
claustrophobia.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: How does she manage now
to get to her second floor apartment?
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: I have no idea.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Well, there must be a
staircase.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS:
hardly at al l .
I know these people
MAYOR SPIEGEL: David, didn't you say
there was --
MR. WOLPIN: Right. I don't believe that
they live in the building now.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Oh, okay.
MR. WOLPIN: I believe that they were
planning to build in, contingent upon getting
these approvals to combine the two units.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: I think they would be
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very wise to try to relocate.
COUNCILMAN TANTLEFF: Here it is.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Is it in here?
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: It's pretty
documented that she does have claustrophobia.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: I understand
your compassion, and we are all with
compassion, but this
MAYOR SPIEGEL: I'm concerned with the
setting of precedents.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: This is
dangerous for our community. This is exactly
what over-development is all about, and we're
very careful.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: How many feet do
they want to go into the side setback?
MR. WOLPIN: I believe it's about seven
feet.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: Well, certainly I
want to do nothing to harm the Village in any
way. I haven't sat up here for 10 years for
this because I love it.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: Why should you
start now?
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Not at this late date.
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ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: You've got the
hang of it now.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: I think your points
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are good, and I am certainly not going to make
an issue of this. I just wanted to bring up
that we have granted variances at times and
see if we wanted to revisit this.
MR. WOLPIN: I guess to clarify it, the
third apartment is on the third floor where
the Scalas have moved to.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: So they use an elevator
to get there. Being in a wheelchair, I would
assume they use an elevator.
MR. TREPPEDA: David, are they paying the
Scalas's expenses until they die or something?
MR. WOLPIN: They provided a unit for
them for free. The only thing that the Scalas
pay for is their maintenance fees that are
required.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: They bought the
apartment which replenished their capital and
all they have to pay is the maintenance and
the utilities.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: That's a good
deal.
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MAYOR SPIEGEL: I have another question.
The staircase.will be enclosed.
MR. WOLPIN: That's right. The proposal
is for an outside enclosed staircase, a spiral
staircase running
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Well, where does the
claustrophobia come in if it's enclosed? If
the staircase is enclosed, it's not any worse
than the elevator. They'll spend more time on
the staircase than they will on the elevator.
MR. WOLPIN: Well, according to what we
have been advised, Mrs. Feuerring does not
have a problem going upstairs, but an elevator
gives her a serious problem. There's medical
documentation of that.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: I know people who
the thought of an elevator door closing on
them
MAYOR SPIEGEL: Yes. That he's true.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: --is like a casket,
and I feel sorry for them, but I think they
should --
MAYOR SPIEGEL: They should have thought
about that before they purchased the
apartment --
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COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: That's right.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: and not rely on
hearsay evidence saying that oh, sure, they
can do it. Whoever sold it to them probably
said oh, no problem. You'll get it.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: Somebody probably
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MR. TREPPEDA: David, will we need a
motion to direct you to continue
MR. WOLPIN: No. No motion will be
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Mayor, I think at this time you could
announce that the attorney-client session is
concluded and the matter is reopened. Perhaps
the Manager can just reopen the doors just to
signify that the Council has now returned to
regular session.
MAYOR SPIEGEL: The attorney-client
session is now complete and we will resume our
regular meeting.
ASSISTANT MAYOR HIRSCHL: Thank you.
COUNCILMAN BOGGESS: I move we adjourn.
COUNCILMAN TANTLEFF: Second.
(Thereupon, the session was concluded at
6:20 o'clock p.m.)
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I, CAROLE BERNARD, a Notary Public in and for
the State of Florida, do hereby certify that I
reported the foregoing meeting at the time and place
hereinabove set forth; and that the foregoing pages
numbered from 1 to 25, inclusive, constitute a true
and correct transcription of my shorthand report of
the hearing.
WITNESS MY HAND AND SEAL in the City of Miami,
Dade County, Florida, this 20th day of November,
1997.
CAROLE BERNARD
PERSONAL TOUCH REPORTING, INC. (305) 944-9884