HomeMy Public PortalAbout11-12-2002PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES - NOVEMBER 12, 2002
PRESENT: RON JOHNSON, JERRY BROST, RANDY BRINKMAN, ELIZABETH WEIR,
LENNY LEUER, MARY VERBICK, BILL LOE, SHARON JOHNSON AND
DICK PICARD. ALSO PRESENT PLANNING AND ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TOM SUPEL , PARK
COMMISSION CHAIR GALEN BRUER AND PLANNING AND ZONING
ASSISTANT SANDIE LARSON.
Chairperson Elizabeth Weir called the meeting to order at 7:02 p.m.
Elizabeth congratulated Randy Brinkman on his election to the city council.
1. HAMEL LEGION PARK - LOT COMBINATION/PLAT AND PLAN REVIEW
FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING - PUBLIC HEARING
PLAT
Loren Kohnen read his memo to the planning commission and put up an overhead of the plat.
Jerry Brost said we should have a discussion on the wetlands.
L. Kohnen said that Tom Kellogg recommended we put easements around and over wetlands
now. He also mentioned that there may be one wetland area that might need enlarging.
Galen Bruer asked who the easements would be in favor of.
L. Kohnen said in favor of the public and that the easements were there for protection of the
wetlands.
MOVED BY RON JOHNSON AND SECONDED BY BILL LOE TO RECOMMEND
APPROVAL OF THE HAMEL LEGION PARK SECOND ADDITION WITH THE
FOLLOWING CONDITION:
1. Easements be placed over all wetlands on the site
MOTION PASSED.
COMMUNITY BUILDING
1. Kohnen put up an overhead, explaining the site for the proposed community building.
Lil Jungles, president of the Hamel Lions, said that the recycling area would be in the corner of
the garage.
G. Bruer said that the park commissions issue with the Lions is the trail. He said a good reason
for the trail is for emergency vehicles.
L. Jungles said that the trail for the emergency vehicles would not be connected to the walking
trail.
G. Bruer said that the park commission just did not want it opened all the time.
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Bill Ciora, 915 Sunset Court, asked who would be involved in the maintenance of the
community building.
L. Jungles said that we have discussed how it will be run. She said that the group that runs the
building will be considered the agent and will use the building in exchange for taking care of it.
The building will be city owned and city operated.
B. Ciora said that the City of Minneapolis is closing skating rinks because of costs.
L. Jungles said that the city and the Lions are negotiating the costs.
B. Ciora said he is concerned and hopes there are cost projections.
L. Kohnen said that this has been discussed with the council.
Jerry Brost asked that the path be clarified.
L. Kohnen showed on the overhead the difference places for the path. He said it will be
discussed with the fire chief and the city can put in a condition that the path be the one that goes
off to the west. He said we do need fire department review on the plan.
There was further discussion about the location of the path to be used for emergency vehicles
and for getting to the community building.
Sharon Johnson asked if we are losing some space where the little kids play.
Rick Groth, Hamel Athletic Association and Hamel Lions, said that there are more fields to the
rear and there is the soccer area in the SW corner of the park.
L. Kohnen said it is ultimately up to the fire chief, but said he can see why the 1st path shown is
o.k.
G. Bruer said that the park commission thought it also could be a good idea for extra parking,
etc.
Liz Weir said that city ordinance for Uptown Hamel seeks cooperative parking and the city will
approach the bank for use of their lot for overflow parking.
L. Jungles said that we did agree it would be a good idea to have it, but have it blocked off so it
could not be driven on.
G. Bruer said that the park commission had talked a lot about this, how it would look after being
driven on. We want it to look nice. He said that the park commission had recommend at least 50
parking spaces.
L. Kohnen said that he is sure Shorty at the bank will let the bank parking lot be used for
overflow parking.
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Bill Loe asked if costs had been projected to the city council.
L. Jungles said yes and the city has agreed to a 50/50 split.
B. Loe wanted to know if a cost number existed.
L. Jungles said an average yearly cost is projected to be $15,540 to run the facility, insurance,
gas, electric, water, cleaning, etc.
Dick Picard asked how high the building would be.
Paul Gannon, architect, said it is 15' high in the assembly area.
D. Picard asked the color of the roof
P. Gannon said it is to be determined, the color is open for discussion
D. Picard said this is our first new building in Uptown Hamel and we did talk about keeping the
'old; time Hamel' effect.
L. Weir said that earth tones would comply with the ordinance.
L. Jungees said that we do want to set a precedence for the Uptown Hamel ordinance.
D. Picard wanted to know if the exterior of the building met the new ordinance and Loren said
yes.
MOVED BY JERRY BROST AND SECONDED BY RANDY BRINKMAN TO
RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PLAN REVIEW WITH STAFF
RECOMMENDATIONS
1. Any conditions by city engineer or watershed
2. All trash and/or garbage containers be kept inside
3. Site plan reviewed by Hamel Fire Chief
MOTION PASSED.
2. GALEN BRUER - PARK COMMISSION
Galen Bruer said that the Park Commission had been studying trails and would like a joint
meeting with the Planning Commission for their input.
Liz Weir said they would like to do this at the December loth Planning Commission meeting.
She said she would talk to Galen to firm up the time.
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Sharon Johnson asked if they would have any background on what had been discussed at the
park commission before the joint meeting.
Galen discussed some of what had been talked about concerning the trail up Sioux Drive - they
did not want to limit their discussion at the joint meeting to this trail, but that is what started the
discussion about a joint meeting.
Lenny Leuer said that it is admirable for trails , but there are more questions for Uptown Hamel
other than trails - underground utilities, sidewalks, etc. He said he felt some of these things take
precedence over a trail coming up Sioux Drive.
G. Bruer said that the Park Commission is focusing on trails. He said the main thing we are
trying to do is get the Park Commission and Planning Commission together on planning and
development.
J. Brost suggested to Galen that he go over the comprehensive plan and that we revisit the
overall plan/system for those that were not involved at the comprehensive plan time.
G. Bruer said the Park Commission does not want to go to the city council with ideas that differ
from the Planning Commission's.
3. DEAN JOHNSON - SCHLOSSER PROPERTY SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 55 TO THE
EAST OF COUNTY ROAD 19 - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR
COMMERCIAL OFFICE/STORAGE BUILDING - PUBLIC HEARING
Loren Kohnen read his memo to the planning commission and put up an overhead of the area
showing the proposal. He said when he reviewed the plan he missed the outside storage that was
planned for vehicles. The ordinance allows 1 outside parking space for each 5000 square feet of
building. Loren stated that Hennepin County had approved the access as shown as a temporary
access, the septic system had been designed and there are two sites. He showed the landscaping
on an overhead and stated that it is short a few landscape units. He also said that if there is
outside storage, even 1 vehicle, it will have to be screened.
Dean Johnson said that he has had his company for 27 years and the building will be used for his
business, which is now in Corcoran. He said that they are looking at this as a temporary building
and eventually when this area is developed as a retail area, they will take down the building,
probably in 10-15 years. He said he would prefer the fenestration be with trees and it is not an
issue in making the height of the building 1' less.
Lenny Leuer removed himself from the discussion and left the table.
L. Kohnen showed the 'ultimate' plan for the area and talked of getting a road easement to the
south going east to the Gladys Schlosser property.
Liz Weir said that access would be needed for Gladys' property when it is developed.
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Dick Picard wanted to know what the county project was for County Road 19 and how will it
affect the drainage, access, etc.
L. Kohnen said that is why we talked to Dave Zetterstrom at the county. He said the county will
probably be asking for more ROW.
D. Picard said how can we discuss this proposal without knowing the county's plans.
L. Kohnen said that is why Hennepin County reviews the applications and also why the access is
considered temporary.
D. Johnson said that sewer and water need to come to the area before there is further
development. He said when it is developed further then they would do the road.
There was discussion of placement of the road to the south to take the place of'Leonards Lane'.
There was further discussion of accesses for the property.
D. Johnson said that in the future, Stop 'N' Go may need access on the road in my development.
Jerry Brost wanted it clarified what we are recommending tonight.
L.Kohnen said a conditional use permit for the commercial office/storage building.
L. Weir said she is concerned with the south of the building facing residential property and even
if the building is 'temporary' it has to meet our ordinance for fenestration, etc. She said she
would like to see the building more broken up.
D. Johnson said no problem.
L. Weir said how about the east side.
D. Johnson said he would like to use trees on that side for the fenestration.
L. Kohnen said they should be 10' spruce/pine trees.
D. Johnson said in his experience he has had better luck with 6'-7' trees.
L. Kohnen said let's compromise at 8'. D. Johnson said o.k.
L. Weir said she would like to see some additional trees on the south side also. She asked about
the height of the building.
D. Johnson said it is not problem to lower it to meet the ordinance.
Randy Brinkman asked how tall the garage doors were.
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D. Johnson said 10x14 and 12x14.
L. Weir asked about the outside storage.
D. Johnson said they have one truck with a trailer to hold the bobcat. He said he is at 9200
square feet and could get a variance for 2 items for the outside storage area.
L. Kohnen said he thinks the square footage is close enough for the two items as long as they are
screened. He said he is most concerned about the Schlosser property and pointed out on the
overhead where to berm/screen. Loren said he would like to see a new plan with the height of
the building and landscaping before this goes to the city council.
MOVED BY MARY VERBICK AND SECONDED BY SHARON JOHNSON TO
RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL
OFFICE/STORAGE BUILDING FOR DEAN JOHNSON WITH THE FOLLOWING
CONDITIONS:
1) Building height to be lowered 1' from what is shown on plan
2) The east, south and north sides of the building must be provided with modulation standards
3) Additional landscape units on the south and east sides of the building and around the outside
storage area.
4) All exterior lighting fixtures must be downcast only with no globe or light source visible.
5) Outside storage limited to 1 truck and 1 trailer with city approved screening around the area.
6) All refuse and garbage containers must be stored inside.
7) All conditions of the city engineer
8) All conditions of the watershed
9) Placement of driveway at County Road 19 as per Hennepin County Roads and Planning
10) All conditions of construction and design be provided before any development or permits
will be granted.
11) 60' road easement be provided on the southern portion of the property to the east property
line with the intent that 'Leonard's Lane' be vacated and turned over to Dean Johnson
MOTION PASSED WITH DICK PICARD VOTING NAY.
Dick Picard felt that this development was premature without knowing Hennepin County's plans
for County Road 19. He felt there was the possibility of us creating future problems.
Lenny Leuer returned to the table.
MOVED BY SHARON JOHNSON AND SECONDED BY RANDY BRINKMAN TO
ADJOURN.
MOTION PASSED.
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