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HomeMy Public PortalAboutExhibit MSD 87- Transcript of Public Hearing- June 26, 2023Page 1 ·1· · · · ·IN THE CITY OF BRIDGETON · · · · · · · ·STATE OF MISSOURI ·2 ·3 ·4 ·5 ·6 ·7 · · ·ST. LOUIS METROPOLITAN SEWER DISTRICT ·8 · · ·RATE COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING ·9 10 11 12 13· · · · ·TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS · · · · · · ·OF THE PUBLIC HEARING 14 15 16 17 · · · · · · ·BRIDGETON CITY HALL 18· · · · ·12355 NATURAL BRIDGE ROAD · · · · · ·BRIDGETON, MISSOURI 63044 19 20 21 · · · · · · · · ·JUNE 26, 2023 22· · · · · · · · ·7:00 P.M. 23 24 25 Exhibit MSD 87 Page 2 ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·A P P E A R A N C E S ·2 ·3 · · ·For the MSD Rate Commission: ·4 · · · · · · Lou Jearls - Presiding ·5· · · · · Matt Berry ·6 · · ·For St. Louis Metropolitan Sewer District: ·7 ·8· · · · · Brian Hoeslcher · · · · · · Executive Director and CEO ·9· · · · · Office of the Executive Director · · · · · · Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer District 10· · · · · 2350 Market Street, St. Louis, MO 63103 · · · · · · 314.768.6260 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22· ·Court Reporter: 23· ·Georgia B. Northway, RPR, CCR · · ·Missouri CCR #1401 24· ·Lexitas Legal - St. Louis · · ·711 North Eleventh Street 25· ·St. Louis, Missouri 63101 · · ·(314) 644-2191 Page 3 ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·*· · *· · *· · *· · * ·2· · · · · (Starting time of the meeting: 7:00 p.m.) ·3· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· We're going to try to get started ·4· ·here.· We're going to try to start up promptly at 7 ·5· ·o'clock. ·6· · · · · Good evening.· I'm glad to see a nice crowd ·7· ·tonight.· I'm Lou Jearls of the Metropolitan St. Louis ·8· ·Sewer District Rate Commission.· I've got a little bit ·9· ·of a script to read you, so don't feel like I'm ignoring 10· ·you too much here. 11· · · · · I will be presiding over this public hearing this 12· ·evening.· Next to me is my fellow commissioner, Ryan 13· ·Berry. 14· · · · · The charter plan of the District was amended by 15· ·the voters in St. Louis City and St. Louis County at a 16· ·general election on November 7, year 2000, and 17· ·established the Rate Commission. 18· · · · · The purpose of the Rate Commission is to review 19· ·and make recommendations to MSD Board of Trustees 20· ·regarding change in wastewater rates, stormwater rates, 21· ·and tax rates proposed by MSD staff. 22· · · · · The Rate Commission seeks to ensure that MSD 23· ·ratepayers and the public in general have a voice in 24· ·MSD's rate-setting process, which is why we're here 25· ·tonight. Page 4 ·1· · · · · Per the charter plan, the Rate Commission is ·2· ·composed of 15 member organizations who collectively ·3· ·represents the broadest possible cross-section of MSD ·4· ·customers in the community it serves. ·5· · · · · The Rate Commission members organizations -- I ·6· ·just remembered, this thing is starting to get hard to ·7· ·read.· There we go. ·8· · · · · The Rate Commission member organizations are ·9· ·selected by MSD's Board of Trustees through a public 10· ·self nomination and selection process set forth in the 11· ·charter. 12· · · · · Each member of the organization serves a six-year 13· ·term and appoints an individual to represent the 14· ·organization on the Rate Commission. 15· · · · · Per the voter-approved changes made to MSD's 16· ·charter in 2000, the Board of Trustees will select 17· ·member organizations so as to ensure a fair 18· ·representation of all users of the District's services; 19· ·and that's in quotes. 20· · · · · Specifically, Rate Commission member 21· ·organizations shall represent commercial and industrial 22· ·users, residential users, and other organizations 23· ·interested in the operation of the District, including 24· ·by way of example, but not by way of a limitation, 25· ·organizations focusing on environmental issues, labor Page 5 ·1· ·issues, social economic issues, community neighborhood ·2· ·organizations, and other nonprofit organizations. ·3· · · · · For a list of the individual Rate Commissioners ·4· ·and organizations they represent, please visit the Rate ·5· ·Commission section of MSD's website, at ·6· ·www.MSDProjectClear.org. ·7· · · · · The Rate Commission received a rate change notice ·8· ·from MSD staff on March 24, 2023 for wastewater rates ·9· ·and stormwater rates and taxes. 10· · · · · Per the charter plan, the Rate Commission must 11· ·issue its report on the proposed rate change notice to 12· ·MSD's Board of Trustees on or before September 5, 2023. 13· ·So the Commission's kind of under a deadline here. 14· · · · · The Rate Commission adopted operational rules 15· ·already and a procedural schedule to conduct these 16· ·proceedings in a timely manner, and with procedural 17· ·fairness to all parties. 18· · · · · Since the Rate Commission notice was received on 19· ·March 24, 2023, the Rate Commission has received many 20· ·testimonies from MSD staff and rate consultants employed 21· ·by the Rate Commission to evaluate MSD's staff proposal. 22· · · · · The parties have also engaged in discovery 23· ·requests.· Documentation of these activities is listed 24· ·on the Rate Commission section of the MSD's website, 25· ·again, at www.MSDProjectClear.org. Page 6 ·1· · · · · Tonight's public hearing is one of 14 ·2· ·on-the-record sessions planned for between June 21, 2023 ·3· ·and August 7, 2023. ·4· · · · · Any ratepayer who wishes to be heard on the ·5· ·proposed rate change may testify or participate in any ·6· ·of these public hearing hearings -- public sessions. ·7· · · · · The public hearings are publicly noticed via the ·8· ·postings to the Rate Commission section of MSD's ·9· ·website, again, www.MSDProjectClear.org. 10· · · · · These postings contain the time, date, and 11· ·location of each of the public hearings.· As hearings 12· ·are added to the schedule, the same information will be 13· ·added to the postings. 14· · · · · Public hearings are held for the purpose of 15· ·permitting MSD staff to present its wastewater and 16· ·stormwater rate change proposal to the general public, 17· ·and to permit the general public the opportunity to ask 18· ·questions or make comments. 19· · · · · I know this is getting long, but I'll be done in 20· ·a few minutes here. 21· · · · · Those unable to make -- or those unable to not -- 22· ·those unable to or not wishing to provide comments at a 23· ·public hearing may provide feedback to the Rate 24· ·Commission via phone or e-mail.· The phone number is 25· ·314-335-2028.· Again, the phone number is 314-335-2028. Page 7 ·1· · · · · The e-mail address is ·2· ·RateCommission@AHCconsulting.com.· Again, the e-mail ·3· ·address is RateCommission@AHCconsulting.com.· A card ·4· ·with this contact information is available as you come ·5· ·in.· This card looks like this.· It's available at the ·6· ·sign-in in front. ·7· · · · · Alternately, staff representing the Rate ·8· ·Commission -- who I will ask to identify themselves ·9· ·shortly -- will also be able to provide that 10· ·information. 11· · · · · Further information how to provide feedback 12· ·outside the public hearings is listed on the Rate 13· ·Commissioner's section of MSD's website, again, at 14· ·www.MSDProjectClear.org. 15· · · · · Our next step tonight is a presentation by MSD 16· ·staff, followed by a public comment period.· Tonight's 17· ·presenter is Brian Hoelscher, MSD CEO and executive 18· ·director. 19· · · · · Before we begin the presentation, I ask that we 20· ·all observe the following housekeeping rules: 21· · · · · Please hold all questions until the comment 22· ·period after the presentation. 23· · · · · If you wish to present testimony, or if you 24· ·expect to have any questions or comments, please sign in 25· ·at the door by which you entered the room. Page 8 ·1· · · · · Speakers will be called upon in the order they ·2· ·have signed up, and each speaker should identify ·3· ·themselves and any organization they represent. ·4· · · · · While not a requirement, we ask that those that ·5· ·are speaking to state their name and address so that we ·6· ·may ensure the associated comments in the record with -- ·7· ·the associated comments in the record with the correct ·8· ·speaker. ·9· · · · · If you are representing an organization, please 10· ·provide information about the organization.· If speakers 11· ·wish to remain anonymous, in whole or in part, we 12· ·respect those wishes as well. 13· · · · · Each speaker may have a maximum of ten minutes to 14· ·speak regarding the proposed rate change. 15· · · · · As the presiding officer, I may limit or expand 16· ·speaking time as deemed necessary.· If you have further 17· ·questions regarding bathrooms or any other logistics, 18· ·staff representing the Rate Commission -- staff, please 19· ·raise your hand; that might be able to help if anyone 20· ·has any questions.· On the sides of the room.· Those 21· ·folks can help you if you have any questions. 22· · · · · Finally, if you have not already done so, please 23· ·silence your cell phones. 24· · · · · Are there any questions regarding the procedures 25· ·for this evening?· Seeing none, I'll ask Mr. Hoelscher Page 9 ·1· ·to come up and begin his presentation. ·2· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· Thank you, Commissioner Jearls. ·3· ·So I'm Brian Hoelscher.· I'm the executive director and ·4· ·CEO of MSD. ·5· · · · · Before I start, I want to have everybody who is ·6· ·an MSD staff employee raise their hands.· So they are ·7· ·here. ·8· · · · · If there's something not covered tonight in the ·9· ·presentation of a project-specific type of issue or a 10· ·billing-type issue, you can see these folks.· They're 11· ·here to answer those questions. 12· · · · · I won't be talking about, obviously, specific 13· ·problems in this.· But they're here afterwards in case 14· ·there's something not covered in tonight's presentation 15· ·having to do with current services. 16· · · · · So there's three things I want to talk about 17· ·tonight.· Here we got.· One, I'm going to give you a 18· ·little background on MSD; how we got here, why we exist, 19· ·what our responsibilities are. 20· · · · · Then I'm going to talk about the rate proposal 21· ·and exactly what work is getting done, and why it is 22· ·getting done, and why we're offering these proposals to 23· ·the voters. 24· · · · · And then third, the biggest part of it, I'm going 25· ·to go through the results of the rate proposals and what Page 10 ·1· ·the financial impact would be, depending on how the rate ·2· ·-- depending on the voters decide for us to proceed. ·3· ·And I'll go through those in detail. ·4· · · · · First of all, we have something called A Tale of ·5· ·Two Systems.· It's important to remember that MSD ·6· ·provides two major services; one is wastewater -- we ·7· ·collect the wastewater as soon as it leaves out of your ·8· ·lateral, transport it, pump it, treat it and discharge ·9· ·it into local creeks and streams.· The public pays for 10· ·that through your monthly MSD bill. 11· · · · · The second service has to do with stormwater.· So 12· ·there are -- and those are paid through property taxes. 13· · · · · There's three services you'll hear me talk about. 14· ·One is regulatory; we serve as a regulator to make sure 15· ·we reduce the amount pollutants in stormwater runoff 16· ·that enters the environments. 17· · · · · We operate and maintain the storm sewers, inlets, 18· ·and manholes -- not creeks and streams, the sewers 19· ·themselves. 20· · · · · And then finally, we have the ability to help 21· ·address the flooding and erosion problems that 22· ·continuously have affected the area and starting to 23· ·affect them in a little different way because of climate 24· ·change. 25· · · · · So really quick, Project Clear protects -- the Page 11 ·1· ·purpose of MSD Project Clear is to protect the public ·2· ·health, safety, and water environment by responsibly ·3· ·managing two programs with separate funding sources. ·4· · · · · Again, wastewater is that monthly bill; and I ·5· ·forgot to say, the stormwater is on your property tax at ·6· ·the end of the year.· One for wastewater and one for ·7· ·stormwater. ·8· · · · · The fundings are different in these two, and they ·9· ·are starting to diverge.· And so therefore, there's 10· ·going to be two proposals I'm going to talk about that's 11· ·on the ballot; one for wastewater and one for 12· ·stormwater.· And they are going to be completely 13· ·different. 14· · · · · Talk about the services in wastewater.· That 15· ·includes the cleaning and repair of the existing 16· ·wastewater system -- something which has been causing 17· ·issues -- complying with all environmental regulations, 18· ·and also major new improvements. 19· · · · · The capital program, which is the largest piece 20· ·of the wastewater proposal, is mandated by an agreement 21· ·based on a lawsuit that we received from the Department 22· ·of Justice and EPA, setting a schedule for us to come in 23· ·compliance with the Clean Water Act. 24· · · · · It's not just St. Louis.· Over 200 other 25· ·communities had these kind of lawsuits.· It's the Page 12 ·1· ·strategy the federal government took to make sure there ·2· ·was a date certain that everybody would come in ·3· ·compliance with the Clean Water Act. ·4· · · · · MSD has always been working towards these issues. ·5· ·What has changed is the schedule.· This is a ·6· ·court-approved schedule to complete the work. ·7· · · · · For instance, the capital work that the in the ·8· ·rate proposal for the next four years, 98 percent of the ·9· ·work being proposed is mandated the consent decree 10· ·agreement or is required by other regulatory schedules 11· ·from the federal government. 12· · · · · Stormwater is a little bit different.· So there's 13· ·three things we can do.· One is clean and repair the 14· ·existing storm sewers; those are the manholes, the 15· ·inlets, the storm sewers, the things you see in the 16· ·populated areas.· We have owned those. 17· · · · · We own those, but until 2016, we were not 18· ·receiving revenues to operate and maintain them all.· We 19· ·own them, but no revenues to maintain them. 20· · · · · So everything inside 270, essentially, we could 21· ·operate and maintain to some degree.· Everything outside 22· ·270, we owned; but nobody had ever given MSD any 23· ·revenues to operate and maintain them. 24· · · · · Currently, we have funding to do based on a voter 25· ·approval of a property tax that went into place in 2016. Page 13 ·1· ·So we now can provide that service. ·2· · · · · Compliance with environmental regulations. ·3· ·There's been some form of a two-cent property tax. ·4· ·That's been in place since MSD was formed in 1954. ·5· · · · · It allows us to serve kind of like as a building ·6· ·permit entity to make sure that people follow the ·7· ·appropriate rules to decrease the amount of pollutants ·8· ·and stormwater runoff that enters the creeks and ·9· ·streams. 10· · · · · Finally, the last service, which we don't have 11· ·funding for districtwide, which we can provide, we're 12· ·talking about improvements that don't involve MSD's 13· ·assets.· And that has to do funding for stormwater, 14· ·creek erosion, and flooding.· MSD does not have a 15· ·districtwide resource. 16· · · · · We last put something in front of the voters in 17· ·2019 that would take care of those kind of issues.· The 18· ·voters said no. 19· · · · · We're coming back with some revisions based on 20· ·input from the public we've gotten, and we still would 21· ·like to be considered for that districtwide service. 22· · · · · I'm going to go over what that proposal looks 23· ·like so the voters can decide whether or not we should 24· ·provide that service districtwide. 25· · · · · Wastewater system improvements.· MSD's in the Page 14 ·1· ·midst of a three-decade agreement.· Originally, we had a ·2· ·23-year agreement to be done by 2034. ·3· · · · · Based on some affordability issues that we ·4· ·presented to the EPA, they extended that through 2039 ·5· ·that we have to get all of the improvements done on the ·6· ·wastewater side. ·7· · · · · The current value of the proposal is $7.2 billion ·8· ·in 2023 dollars.· You may have heard different numbers. ·9· · · · · We put numbers based on dollars at the time.· So 10· ·when we signed the agreement in 2011, based on 2010 11· ·dollars, it was 4.7 billion; 2021, it was 6.1 billion. 12· · · · · And then because of -- as everybody knows what's 13· ·happening in the economy the last two or three years, 14· ·prior to this rate proposal, we repriced the value of 15· ·the program, based on the recent inflation.· And that's 16· ·where you come to the $7.2 billion. 17· · · · · We have not added anything to the project, and 18· ·the project is currently on budget and schedule.· It's 19· ·just when we're pricing the project.· Right now, that 20· ·number now is in 2023 dollars. 21· · · · · Goals.· One is to reduce the backups in the homes 22· ·and the overflows in the environment.· That's the 23· ·biggest thing we've got. 24· · · · · So when the water -- stormwater was coming in, it 25· ·was causing homes to back up, and it would get into the Page 15 ·1· ·sanitary system. ·2· · · · · Or, based on -- sometimes, prior to MSD being in ·3· ·existence, to prevent that from happening, holes were ·4· ·put into the system.· So when rain came down, it would ·5· ·discharge into creeks and streams instead of backing up ·6· ·homes. ·7· · · · · All those have to be taken care of.· That will ·8· ·improve the water quality and bring will us into ·9· ·compliance with the Clean Water Act. 10· · · · · How do we do that?· One is removing stormwater 11· ·out of the wastewater system where it shouldn't be.· In 12· ·St. Louis, one of the big issues we had at sometime in 13· ·the past, a lot of homes were built with the stormwater 14· ·leaders coming off the roof going into the sanitary 15· ·laterals. 16· · · · · That was causing people to back themselves up, to 17· ·flood the systems.· It was also surcharging the system 18· ·so it dumped into the environment. 19· · · · · We've done a lot of work to try to remove as many 20· ·of those, as well as some oddball inlets that were 21· ·connected to wrong sewer; and we've made a lot of 22· ·progress taking care of that. 23· · · · · We are increasing the capacity, keeping in mind a 24· ·lot of the changes that are happening because of climate 25· ·change -- fortunately, the improvements that we've been Page 16 ·1· ·making on the wastewater system can, as a rule, ·2· ·accommodate those on the wastewater system.· And then ·3· ·eliminate the points where it's going into the rivers. ·4· · · · · So as you can imagine, we have to take water out ·5· ·of the system, make some cistern improvements to make it ·6· ·bigger, and make sure these points were discharged were ·7· ·going into creeks and streams instead of for treatment, ·8· ·and eliminate those.· Those are illegal.· That's the ·9· ·biggest driver on the system. 10· · · · · What progress we've made is here.· Those 11· ·overflows I was talking about, the holes in the system 12· ·that discharged wastewater to the creeks and streams 13· ·when it rains heavily, we've eliminated 84 percent of 14· ·those. 15· · · · · We started at the start of the consent decree 16· ·with about 230 of them.· We've eliminated 84 of those 17· ·overflows. 18· · · · · Building backups are down 25 percent.· We are 19· ·experiencing something at MSD with regard to the problem 20· ·we were initially trying to take care of, which is 21· ·stormwater getting in that shouldn't be in there. 22· · · · · We've actually done much better than 25 percent. 23· ·What has taken over is a lot of the local flooding 24· ·that's being caused by climate change. 25· · · · · That's obviously when homes flood and areas Page 17 ·1· ·flood, the sewer system floods.· And that's causing some ·2· ·of those additional basement backups. ·3· · · · · So right now, we started -- or are underway, 650 ·4· ·different projects since 2012 on the wastewater side. ·5· · · · · Stormwater is little different.· We keep getting ·6· ·reported a rising number of stormwater issues for a lot ·7· ·of reasons. ·8· · · · · It's fueled, in some case, by people becoming ·9· ·more aware that we're trying to get some funding.· Folks 10· ·usually won't report problems to us -- if they report, 11· ·we tell them MSD has no funding, they get tired of 12· ·reporting. 13· · · · · Some of those reporting more -- more are being 14· ·caused by climate change.· The problems were already 15· ·more than the natural system or the stormwater systems 16· ·can handle. 17· · · · · They're set for what is a basic form in the past. 18· ·They're not set for the 100 and 500-year storms we've 19· ·been getting. 20· · · · · To give you an idea of what that is, we've 21· ·identified about $700 million-worth of storms prior to 22· ·these really different storms coming up, which are large 23· ·100 and 500-year storms, either covering the area or 24· ·popping up in isolated locations.· Those are some 25· ·additional issues we have to figure out how to address. Page 18 ·1· · · · · This is just a visual description of what they ·2· ·are for the problems with stormwater.· There's flooding, ·3· ·whatever that means.· There's flooding there for a lot ·4· ·of reasons. ·5· · · · · Sometimes it's been flooding just because that's ·6· ·the way the area was built, and there wasn't good ·7· ·drainage put in.· Some of it's being caused by the ·8· ·additional storms. ·9· · · · · And then another big one, especially in areas 10· ·where there isn't flooding but we have the additional 11· ·stormwater, we're talking about creek erosion. 12· · · · · That creek erosion can erode the creek, eat 13· ·properties up, eat homes up in some cases, threaten 14· ·homes that are located along creeks and streams. 15· · · · · So where are the problems.· These are four 16· ·watersheds that you see in our service area.· Beside 17· ·there, beside those are the number of problems we know 18· ·about. 19· · · · · What I really want to point out, if you see the 20· ·pink area, that area has some small taxing districts 21· ·that are legacy from the 1960s, where we're going a 22· ·small amount of the stormwater work because we're 23· ·collecting a separate tax. 24· · · · · What we have found is if you have money to solve 25· ·problems, people are more willing to tell you there's a Page 19 ·1· ·problem, because there's a chance to get it fixed. ·2· · · · · If you look at some of the other areas, the ·3· ·orange area to the north, the -- whatever that color is ·4· ·to the upper left, we have a lot of people tell us they ·5· ·have problems over and over. ·6· · · · · We've just said, there's nothing we can do ·7· ·because we don't have any revenues.· There is no money ·8· ·coming in to solve those types of issues. ·9· · · · · What we suspect is once you start having funding, 10· ·our experience is people start letting us know about 11· ·more issues.· We suspect that's where this will go. 12· · · · · The proposal itself -- I'll go to the Rate 13· ·Commission.· I'm not going to go over this. 14· ·Commissioner Jearls went over some of this, but -- 15· ·describing the Rate Commission, when it went into place, 16· ·what its organization looks like. 17· · · · · The big thing is they are here to review MSD's 18· ·proposal.· The whole proposal process looks like this: 19· · · · · So starting in the summer of 2022, MSD staff 20· ·looked at everything that's going on, deciding what are 21· ·we going to present the Rate Commission. 22· · · · · We usually present a rate proposal every four 23· ·years.· The main reason for that is we have a long 24· ·wastewater program that now ends in 2039. 25· · · · · But every four years, we kind of double check in Page 20 ·1· ·with the Rate Commission, saying, okay, we've got ·2· ·funding for the past four years, now we've got funding ·3· ·for the next four years.· Here's where we stand from the ·4· ·previous four years, here's our calculations. ·5· · · · · We now need to determine, are we going to do this ·6· ·by borrowing some money, are we going to do it by just ·7· ·paying cash, how are we going to pay for this? ·8· · · · · It's not optional as to whether or not we do the ·9· ·work.· The work has been mandated by a federal judge and 10· ·the federal government.· The question is, how do we pay 11· ·for it.· That question comes every four years. 12· · · · · Now what doesn't always come is a question about 13· ·stormwater.· Again, we tried four years ago, we're going 14· ·to try again this year to put another proposal out and 15· ·see what the public thinks of this. 16· · · · · And that's to provide creek erosion and flooding 17· ·-- flood revenues to take care of flooding problems 18· ·throughout the entire District.· And I'll mention both 19· ·of those. 20· · · · · So put that proposal together, we presented it to 21· ·them in March.· The Rate Commission will take a look at 22· ·staff proposal and submit to it our Board of Trustees in 23· ·September. 24· · · · · The Board of Trustees will review the 25· ·recommendations of the Rate Commission and decide how to Page 21 ·1· ·move forward and what, if anything, should go on the ·2· ·April 2024 ballot. ·3· · · · · So if I go to the third, or the right-hand side, ·4· ·again, I explained this.· There's two proposals on the ·5· ·wastewater side; how do you want to pay for the next ·6· ·four years. ·7· · · · · We have to do the work; the question is, how do ·8· ·you want to move forward and pay for it. ·9· · · · · Do you want to borrow money?· Which makes it cost 10· ·lets less now, but you have debt service later.· And 11· ·there's a new stormwater service; do you want us to 12· ·provide this or not?· Those will be the two questions. 13· · · · · So the details of the rate proposal.· On the 14· ·stormwater side will be done in this rate proposal.· To 15· ·be equitable, we want to make sure we properly divide up 16· ·with the revenues come in.· So we've taken a look at the 17· ·impervious area on the properties. 18· · · · · Residential customers represent 57 percent of the 19· ·impervious area in our District; impervious area being 20· ·rooftops, driveways, sidewalks, places where water 21· ·doesn't soak into the ground. 22· · · · · So we're making sure the revenues, 57 percent, 23· ·come from those residential customers. 24· · · · · The balance, the 43 percent comes from the 25· ·nonresidential customers. Page 22 ·1· · · · · The reason it's important to understand the ·2· ·difference is the way we collect or revenues from those ·3· ·two classes of customers are a little bit different, and ·4· ·I'll go through those right now. ·5· · · · · For the residential customers, to collect that ·6· ·amount of money, rate change proposals based on the ·7· ·median assessed value in our service area of $176,000 ·8· ·for a home. ·9· · · · · If your home's value is 176,000, the new 10· ·stormwater rate would be $25.00 a year.· The rate zero 11· ·is 7.45 cents per hundred-dollar valuation. 12· · · · · That amount is what our surveying says that's the 13· ·amount 50 percent of the public's willing to spend to 14· ·provide a districtwide service. 15· · · · · One of the things to understand about this -- so 16· ·I'm talking about service for folks who have never had 17· ·it before, and in generalities, that's outside of 270 -- 18· ·for instance, here in Bridgeton. 19· · · · · This service I'm talking about, the City of 20· ·Bridgeton has never received from MSD.· So this will be 21· ·a brand new charge. 22· · · · · There's other of you who live in between 270 and 23· ·the city boundaries.· As I mentioned before, there's 24· ·some old subdistricts that, early on in the District's 25· ·existence, in the 1960s, they were set up, they were Page 23 ·1· ·collecting revenues anywhere from five and a half cents ·2· ·to ten and a half cents -- I mean eight and a half cents ·3· ·to provide this same service. ·4· · · · · If this fails, right now, the plan is to leave ·5· ·those in place and continue providing the service in ·6· ·those areas between 270 and the city boundaries. ·7· · · · · If this passes, the plan is to step those rates ·8· ·-- those existing tax rates into smaller areas to zero. ·9· ·So you'll basically replace one for the other. 10· · · · · Some folks might pay a little bit more per year, 11· ·some might pay a little bit less for the same service. 12· · · · · For nonresidential customers to pick up their 43 13· ·percent, if you calculate the impervious area, we're 14· ·going to charge those customers $1.05 per thousand 15· ·square feet of impervious area per month.· That's what 16· ·their charge will be. 17· · · · · So in this scenario, for the residential 18· ·customers, it will be on the property tax.· For the 19· ·nonresidential customers, it will be a monthly bill that 20· ·will go to the nonresidential customers. 21· · · · · So what it look like right now, as I indicated 22· ·before, we have about $700 million-worth of problems 23· ·we've identified. 24· · · · · Prior to -- especially with the storms that 25· ·started this past summer, also for the last ten-plus Page 24 ·1· ·years, we've had a lot of locations where little popup ·2· ·100 and 500-year storms will come in and just inundate ·3· ·areas. ·4· · · · · So we know those are more problems beyond the 700 ·5· ·million in problems that we've identified. ·6· · · · · We tried to set up the expenditures to try and ·7· ·address at least the start of everything. ·8· · · · · So first of all, MSD is going to take 50 percent ·9· ·of the revenues, which are about $34 million that come 10· ·out of the stormwater expenditure and we're going to 11· ·take all of the problems we know of, and we use a 12· ·benefit-cost analysis. 13· · · · · So we take what's the benefit of a project, are 14· ·we going to keep a house from falling into a creek, or 15· ·are we going to keep a yard from being eroded; what are 16· ·the erosion issues? 17· · · · · We add up all those points, we divide it by the 18· ·cost to do the project, and we get a benefit-cost ratio. 19· · · · · Then districtwide, we will simply start from the 20· ·top of the list and do the ones that are most 21· ·cost-effective and work out way down this list. 22· · · · · That's the plan right now and what we're planning 23· ·on doing with 50 percent of the funds. 24· · · · · 30 percent of the funds will go to the individual 25· ·municipalities, based on population, for them to solve Page 25 ·1· ·whatever stormwater problem they think is most ·2· ·important. ·3· · · · · We've tried this in some of those small taxing ·4· ·districts I mentioned.· It's a very good way to kind ·5· ·bigger versus the smaller problems.· It makes money ·6· ·available to the individual municipalities to take care ·7· ·of stormwater problems that they view as being the most ·8· ·important and the highest priority. ·9· · · · · Next, 10 percent will go to -- and I'm using a 10· ·federal term here, not the term the state uses.· 10 11· ·percent will go to the environmental justice fund for 12· ·projects in environmental justice areas. 13· · · · · So the way that is defined, and this comes from 14· ·information provided by the State of Missouri, they use 15· ·that often to determine how to distribute the grants. 16· · · · · It's North City, North County, North County 17· ·heading west, and a part of South County, just south of 18· ·the city.· Those are justified as environmental justice 19· ·areas. 20· · · · · We're going to take 10 percent of the revenues, 21· ·and we're going to apply that same benefit-cost analysis 22· ·to projects only in those areas. 23· · · · · And that will allow us to address areas that the 24· ·state has determined low income or traditionally 25· ·underserved.· That will allow us to cover those Page 26 ·1· ·projects. ·2· · · · · And then finally, there's 10 percent of the ·3· ·projects are going to a regional advisory committee. ·4· ·Right now, our discussion has been with the Municipal ·5· ·League. ·6· · · · · They consist primarily -- except for the City of ·7· ·St. Louis, who we add in, elected officials from all the ·8· ·areas, what's being missed.· What's the service that ·9· ·really needs to get done. 10· · · · · Because it's recent, there's a couple things we 11· ·talked about; should we be providing money for 12· ·municipalities, to provide them funding to match or help 13· ·out in getting people out of floodplains. 14· · · · · We got a lot of folks who live in floodplains; 15· ·and when we get heavy rains, they get flooded.· We're 16· ·not going to engineer our way out of it; do we want to 17· ·buy them out? 18· · · · · Do we want to get some kind of stormwater 19· ·insurance program, or do we want to do something else, 20· ·some other stormwater problem. 21· · · · · It's the kind of thing where we want to get 22· ·public input, making kind of a regional policy decision. 23· ·What's the way to go with the balance of that 10 percent 24· ·of the funding. 25· · · · · On wastewater, it's our regular operations.· Our Page 27 ·1· ·operations costs are about 30 percent of our annual ·2· ·wastewater budget.· The balance is either the debt ·3· ·service or the cost to build projects required by the ·4· ·consent decree. ·5· · · · · Through to date, as of the end -- when we reach ·6· ·the end of 2024 Fiscal Year, we will have spent 3.1 ·7· ·billion towards the total completion.· The amount in ·8· ·this proposal is about 1.7 billion.· And then these from ·9· ·2023 through 2039, about 2.4 billion. 10· · · · · That will have us complete everything that's in 11· ·the consent decree.· And again, that's one of the 12· ·reasons we come back every four years to talk about to 13· ·the Rate Commission. 14· · · · · We will provide two ways of doing this.· We do 15· ·have an alternative that would require the public to 16· ·approve an additional $700 million of bonding authority. 17· ·I'm going to show you what that looks like for rates. 18· · · · · The other option the public has is:· I don't want 19· ·us to borrow money anymore; I want to just pay for it 20· ·now. 21· · · · · And therefore, there's that one set up. 22· ·Remember, we have to do the work.· It's part of a 23· ·federal consent degree, a federal judgment. 24· · · · · The question is, how are we going to pay for it. 25· ·And for wastewater, that's the proposition that will be Page 28 ·1· ·put in front of the voters. ·2· · · · · So for wastewater, if you take a look at the ·3· ·left-hand side, this is what will happen to the average ·4· ·customer. ·5· · · · · Nobody's rate is probably $61.04, or will be ·6· ·$61.04.· For the average customer, what you are billed ·7· ·for is what goes down the drain during the winter ·8· ·months. ·9· · · · · So the proposal, if bonding is approved, are the 10· ·increases you see on the left-hand side; on the first 11· ·years, 7 percent; the second year, 7.6; the third year, 12· ·7.5; and the final year, 6.6 percent. 13· · · · · That's if it is approved for the next four-year 14· ·program to provide the additional bonding authority to 15· ·complete that program. 16· · · · · On the right-hand side is if you say no.· And you 17· ·can imagine, this is just like buying a car.· You buy a 18· ·car, a house or cash; you pay a lot right now, but you 19· ·don't pay the debt service in the outer years. 20· · · · · The right-hand column, if the vote is no, that's 21· ·what the rates will look like.· Now again, these are 22· ·average customers. 23· · · · · Everybody's rate is probably a little different, 24· ·but the percentages can be applied to whatever you're 25· ·currently paying. Page 29 ·1· · · · · A couple things I want to note, that's a little ·2· ·bit different.· First of all, under the average monthly ·3· ·residential bill, we do have customers who live in the ·4· ·City of St. Louis who are not billed for their water ·5· ·usage. ·6· · · · · The water provider bills them based on the ·7· ·attributes of their homes.· Because of the ruling by the ·8· ·Supreme Court in the State of Missouri, we bill ·9· ·wastewater the same way. 10· · · · · So since we don't know how much is used -- again, 11· ·we don't know exactly how much water is used, we do use 12· ·the data that's provided by the water provider. 13· · · · · Every four years, we look and see if there should 14· ·be some adjustment to the volumes we assign to those 15· ·attributes. 16· · · · · This year, we did that study and found that we 17· ·should.· So if you are an MSD wastewater customer in the 18· ·City of St. Louis -- a residential customer -- and you 19· ·have unmetered water service, the change in 2025, if 20· ·there's bonding, instead of a 7 percent increase, there 21· ·will be a .8 percent decrease in whatever your current 22· ·bill is. 23· · · · · And then after that, the increases will follow. 24· ·That's to make a one-time adjustment for a change in the 25· ·estimated water usage that we did for different Page 30 ·1· ·attributes. ·2· · · · · The other thing that's part of the program -- and ·3· ·this is all part of this.· We do offer a customer ·4· ·assistance program. ·5· · · · · The way the system works is for those ·6· ·individuals, based on family members whose annual income ·7· ·comes in at two times or less than the poverty level, we ·8· ·have a program you can sign up for.· Your bill will be ·9· ·cut in half. 10· · · · · There's also a similar one for elderly people 11· ·like myself, who are over -- 62 or over.· If you qualify 12· ·based on the income provisions, if your income is less 13· ·than two and a half times the poverty level, we have the 14· ·same type of program; that the amount you pay will be 15· ·cut in half for the wastewater program. 16· · · · · This is the contact information -- not on this 17· ·one.· So -- and then, if there's any questions or 18· ·comments, I think the Rate Commission can provide 19· ·contact numbers, if there's contacts you want.· Or you 20· ·can ask staff if you have other questions about that. 21· · · · · So Commissioner Jearls, that's the end of my 22· ·mention presentation. 23· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· Very good.· Thank you.· Are there 24· ·any folks here that would like to speak concerning this 25· ·-- yes, sir.· Come on up. Page 31 ·1· · · · · AUDIENCE SPEAKER:· I would like to -- ·2· · · · · MR. LECOMB:· Excuse me -- ·3· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· State your name, address. ·4· · · · · MR. LECOMB:· -- Commissioners.· Commissioners, ·5· ·excuse me.· We do have a sign-in sheet, and we are ·6· ·taking the speakers in the order in which they signed ·7· ·up. ·8· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· I'm sorry.· My fault.· Do we have ·9· ·the signup sheet? 10· · · · · MR. LECOMB:· We do.· The first speaker is 11· ·Jacqueline Brown. 12· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· Where's he at? 13· · · · · MS. BROWN:· I'm not a he.· I'm a she. 14· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· You can come on, and again, state 15· ·your name, address, and your concerns.· Just go ahead. 16· ·State from that side. 17· · · · · MS. BROWN:· Good evening.· My name is Jacqueline 18· ·Brown, and I'm from Woodson Terrace, 9849 Guthrie 19· ·Avenue.· And that's Mayor Besmer. 20· · · · · I'm really concerned about this -- about this 21· ·rate increase.· And I'm concerned because over the 22· ·years, MSD has raised -- has gotten these different 23· ·raises, like 2 billion. 24· · · · · And yet, we're listening to what's going to be 25· ·done, and these things haven't ever been done.· And over Page 32 ·1· ·the last year, from the flooding in U-City and the sewer ·2· ·coming back, nothing is being done, but we're giving in ·3· ·more money. ·4· · · · · Our property value -- you know, my property tax ·5· ·is unreal.· Especially -- well, with MSD, with the ·6· ·water, with everything is up, but nothing is being done. ·7· · · · · Everything -- every time this comes up, a way to ·8· ·-- you're going to improve, but it doesn't get improved. ·9· · · · · And I'm concerned about the senior citizens.· I'm 10· ·concerned about the low-income families. 11· · · · · And when he just made the statement about how you 12· ·can apply to be two and a half below the poverty level, 13· ·that doesn't make sense to me. 14· · · · · You know what; that's all I have to say. 15· · · · · MR. WOLF:· I have a question. 16· · · · · MS. BROWN:· Okay. 17· · · · · MR. WOLF:· Do you know of anybody where they got 18· ·flooded and MSD didn't want to pay -- 19· · · · · MS. BROWN:· Yes.· I've been -- 20· · · · · MR. WOLF:· And they were talking about how they 21· ·wanted to pay? 22· · · · · MS. BROWN:· Yes.· Yes.· Yes.· And I'm, like, 23· ·concerned about the people that live in North County, 24· ·where their homes are falling into the ditch or 25· ·whatever.· And the first thing MSD says, it's not our Page 33 ·1· ·problem. ·2· · · · · MR. WOLF:· Is that the same thing in University ·3· ·City as well?· I'm just guessing. ·4· · · · · MS. BROWN:· Yes.· Yes.· Yes.· And that's my ·5· ·concern.· If things were being done, if things were ·6· ·being handled, I wouldn't have a challenge with this. ·7· · · · · And then -- and we know that these things need to ·8· ·be done, but we wait until, like, now, things are ·9· ·eroding, and you're going to put all this on us. 10· · · · · Like my -- my sewer bill right now is $39.00 a 11· ·month, and it's just one person.· And you using the 12· ·figures, 25 percent and 7 percent.· But bottom line, my 13· ·sewer bill is going to double. 14· · · · · MR. WOLF:· And you didn't get to vote on it. 15· · · · · MS. BROWN:· No.· And I'm not -- I hope what I'm 16· ·saying, it's costing me more to let the poop out than to 17· ·get a drink of water. 18· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· Chairman, can I provide some 19· ·information in clarifications from the presentation? 20· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· Yes, Mr. Hoelscher, go ahead.· Do 21· ·you want to do it now? 22· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· Yeah.· If I can, I think, while 23· ·we're here. 24· · · · · So one, if I said two and a half percent less 25· ·than the poverty level, I apologize.· It's two percent Page 34 ·1· ·above, or two and a half percent above.· Anybody below ·2· ·that can qualify for the customer assistance program. ·3· · · · · And this is sometimes the hardest part for folks ·4· ·to understand.· I talked about two proposals here; one ·5· ·for wastewater -- which has nothing to do with ·6· ·University City flooding, which has nothing to do with ·7· ·creek erosion, any of that. ·8· · · · · It has to do with a separate sanitary system. ·9· ·Those are the stormwater services we're asking if the 10· ·public wants us to help provide.· There is no funding 11· ·for that right now. 12· · · · · That's the question we're asking.· So when 13· ·University City flooded, when there's creek erosion up 14· ·in North County, MSD does not collect revenues to take 15· ·care of those issues. 16· · · · · They're not our assets, we're not the floodplain 17· ·managers, we don't own the property, but we do have the 18· ·right -- and probably the right people districtwide to 19· ·collect the funds to determine how to start going after 20· ·those problems, in cooperation with the municipal and 21· ·county partners, who have the management of those 22· ·floodplains. 23· · · · · So that's why you don't see any of that getting 24· ·done, because we haven't collected any money for those 25· ·activities. Page 35 ·1· · · · · We tried in 2008; the supreme court turned us ·2· ·down.· We went in 2019 to the voters; they voted it ·3· ·down. ·4· · · · · We're coming back again to see if you want MSD to ·5· ·be part of that solution.· So those are just something ·6· ·out of the presentation in response to the comments. ·7· · · · · MR. LECOMB:· Commissioners, we now up on the ·8· ·screens the contact information that Mr. Hoelscher ·9· ·referenced in his presentation there for the public to 10· ·see, so they don't have to quickly jot down anything 11· ·based on his verbal presentation. 12· · · · · The next speaker we have is -- signed up is Anton 13· ·Dobinski. 14· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Yes.· My name is Anton Dobinski, 15· ·and I'm calling about a property that I have in 16· ·Olivette. 17· · · · · Some of these questions, comments that I have 18· ·already been pretty well either answered or addressed. 19· · · · · But one of the things that irk me the most is 20· ·having to pay a tax on how big my house is, or how nice 21· ·a car I drive.· I think if you want to put a tax on 22· ·there, it should be a flat tax, and everybody pays the 23· ·same. 24· · · · · In 2012, the sewer bill at that property was 25· ·roughly $14.20 per month.· In present day, it's now Page 36 ·1· ·44.31.· And if I understand you correctly, within four ·2· ·years, that's going to go to about 75. ·3· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· It will go up by whatever ·4· ·percentage I have shown.· Those are average customers. ·5· ·You can use those percentages on your bill. ·6· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Okay.· I guess that's one of the ·7· ·things that irk me the most; is that it's on the ·8· ·property tax, you know, based on how fortunate you may ·9· ·be. 10· · · · · And then I had that there -- there's two taxes on 11· ·there; one for MSD, and one for Deer Creek, and you've 12· ·answered that.· So that's been addressed. 13· · · · · And this tax increase, or rate increase; is this 14· ·forever?· Or when's this project going to be paid for? 15· ·You said '39? 16· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· Do you want me -- I just -- if I 17· ·go up to the microphone, make sure everybody hears.· Do 18· ·you mind if I situate -- 19· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Okay. 20· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· So you can stay up.· That's fine 21· ·I just want to make sure. 22· · · · · So for the wastewater, the current end of the 23· ·consent decree is 2039, and we have projects that last 24· ·through then. 25· · · · · So every four years, especially if the public Page 37 ·1· ·decides to do bonding, it will spend up all the money, ·2· ·and we'll have to do the next four-year project somehow. ·3· ·That's why we come back every four years. ·4· · · · · On the stormwater, if stormwater passes, we ·5· ·anticipate -- unless the public asks us differently -- ·6· ·that the stormwater rates, those should be sufficient ·7· ·moving forward. ·8· · · · · So you were asking about how long they last. ·9· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Right.· Well, I guess my question 10· ·was after this project is completed or paid for, is that 11· ·tax going to go away?· Or is that going to be dropped? 12· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· So the taxes for stormwater, I 13· ·suspect that will last forever. 14· · · · · The rates themselves, once we get to that period, 15· ·you will have debt service, but the huge project list 16· ·will drop off. 17· · · · · Again, 98 percent of the rate proposal, the work 18· ·we're going is not just regular O and M.· It's in that 19· ·consent decree. 20· · · · · Those projects will drop off -- that level of 21· ·projects will drop off the list and we'll be down to the 22· ·normal operation, maintenance, and renewal of systems. 23· ·So a big, huge chunk of that will go off at the end of 24· ·2039. 25· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Okay.· And I guess I wasn't Page 38 ·1· ·familiar about the Rate Commission.· You said you're ·2· ·independent? ·3· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· Yes.· We're neither employees or ·4· ·paid by MSD. ·5· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· So do you perform an audit to see ·6· ·that the numbers that they have come up -- ·7· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· We have -- ·8· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· -- are accurate and there's -- ·9· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· We've hired professionals to look at 10· ·their proposal. 11· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Okay.· So there's not going to be 12· ·anything in there for pension funds or anything like 13· ·that or, is that going to be -- 14· · · · · MS. BROWN:· Oh, it's up in there. 15· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Pardon me? 16· · · · · MS. BROWN:· It's up in there.· And they -- 17· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· -- health and welfare, bonuses; is 18· ·that included in this proposal? 19· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· Brian, do you want to? 20· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· So I mentioned, so it's for all 21· ·the wastewater costs.· So the wastewater costs of 22· ·operations is about 30 percent of our annual 23· ·expenditure. 24· · · · · So 30 percent -- and that's for these next four 25· ·years is for the regular O and M -- operation and Page 39 ·1· ·maintenance -- of the system. ·2· · · · · So in other words, if we didn't have the capital ·3· ·program going on, we didn't have the debt service, we ·4· ·would be spending 30 percent of the money we're ·5· ·proposing this time. ·6· · · · · So that money is in there as well; increases and ·7· ·just O and M costs, inflation, fuel costs, those types ·8· ·of things. ·9· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Who sets those rates? 10· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· They're in this rate proposal. 11· ·Our O and M costs are in the rate proposal we have in 12· ·front of you. 13· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Okay.· Does the general public 14· ·have access to that?· Can I go look at that? 15· · · · · MR. HOELSCHER:· Yeah.· I think all of those 16· ·numbers are in the rate proposal. 17· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· And you can find that online if you 18· ·go to the section. 19· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· Okay.· Okay.· That's pretty much 20· ·-- I think you've addressed all the other things. 21· · · · · Like I said, I didn't know there was a Rate 22· ·Commission that has oversight of this. 23· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· We're here for your benefit.· That's 24· ·right. 25· · · · · MR. DOBINSKI:· All right.· Thank you. Page 40 ·1· · · · · MR. LECOMB:· And Commissioner, as Mr. Dobinski ·2· ·did have a handout, which I'm sure makes it into the ·3· ·record and is conveyed to the rest of the Rate ·4· ·Commission as part of this committee report. ·5· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· Very good. ·6· · · · · MR. LECOMB:· Our third speaker and our final ·7· ·speaker that is signed up is Rick Wolf. ·8· · · · · MR. WOLF:· That's me.· I guess my issue that I ·9· ·have with MSD I'm a landlord.· I got a house, and I get 10· ·stuff that's gotten backed up that was their district. 11· · · · · And you know, if you ever tried to get MSD to pay 12· ·for anything, they'll argue and say, hey, it's not our 13· ·fault.· It's somebody else's fault. 14· · · · · I had that happen on a house, and I have used to 15· ·have 25 of these things.· I've got houses where my MSD 16· ·bill is $98.00, $100. 17· · · · · And you know, with me being a landlord, if I had 18· ·to fix a house, and because codes have changed, I had to 19· ·fix it.· Nobody gave me any money.· And you know, I'm 20· ·not being funny, I'm serious. 21· · · · · I may have to move an electronic box or something 22· ·like that.· But what I'm saying to you, MSD has to hold 23· ·some responsibility.· They want us to pay for it. 24· ·That's crap.· And that's and that's how I feel. 25· · · · · I feel these bills are out of control.· They Page 41 ·1· ·don't provide water, they provide sewer.· Well, they ·2· ·should. ·3· · · · · If you go to St. Charles, St. Charles, has -- has ·4· ·their own system.· And they're half the price of what ·5· ·these guys are.· I might be wrong, it might be -- maybe ·6· ·it's not quite half, but they're definitely cheaper that ·7· ·MSD. ·8· · · · · MSD to me -- you shouldn't be paying 98 bucks. ·9· ·98 bucks, this bill -- like this gentleman was 10· ·talking -- and you can talk out of both sides, like we 11· ·got a chance to vote on this? 12· · · · · Somebody set the rate.· I didn't get to vote on 13· ·it.· You didn't get to vote on it.· Those are the facts. 14· ·You got two voices -- either crap or piss.· Those are 15· ·your two choices on voting. 16· · · · · And both of those rates are high.· But you guys 17· ·need to take some responsibility.· And then they talk 18· ·about, okay, there's a fund we might have for flooding 19· ·services, or whatever, your house falls into a ditch, 20· ·whatever. 21· · · · · Well, if they run out of money, they ain't going 22· ·to pay for it.· I'm sorry.· Everything he's already said 23· ·here, we're out of money, we can't pay for it, we can't 24· ·-- you should be responsible for it. 25· · · · · I know when I had to do repairs on a house, if I Page 42 ·1· ·wanted to rent a house, I had to do the utility box, ·2· ·spend 20,000 on a house, I didn't cry to all these ·3· ·people and say, hey, I want money from you. ·4· · · · · You want money from us for stuff you guys should ·5· ·be taking care of, okay?· That's how I feel.· My view ·6· ·hasn't changed. ·7· · · · · $98.00 for an MSD bill, and you guys don't ·8· ·provide water, you don't provide electric, you don't ·9· ·provide cable. 10· · · · · Well, we got these busted pipes; because you guys 11· ·don't take care of your stuff.· That's how I feel.· $98 12· ·bill.· And that's going to go up to what, 120? 13· · · · · I'm done talking.· I'm sorry I got upset, but 14· ·this is just kind of silly.· You give us two choices. I 15· ·never got to look at that and give -- and give an 16· ·opinion. 17· · · · · You're saying, oh, you're doing us a favor. 18· ·That's not a favor.· That's a rape.· I'm sorry, that's 19· ·how I feel. 20· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· Thank you for your comments. 21· · · · · MR. LECOMB:· Commissioner, Mr. Wolf is the last 22· ·speaker to had signed up.· And I see no other members of 23· ·the public in the audience. 24· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· Okay.· And again, I'll ask, is there 25· ·anyone else here who would look to speak on the floor Page 43 ·1· ·about this rate proposal? ·2· · · · · Again, we've these cards.· You can go online and ·3· ·get a lot of information online about what's been going ·4· ·on with the commission, what's been going on with MSD, ·5· ·all the different exhibits, expert witnesses, what have ·6· ·you.· You can get a lot of information. ·7· · · · · Okay.· Are there any other Rate Commission, Rate ·8· ·Commissioners present that have any questions or ·9· ·comments for MSD? 10· · · · · MR. BERRY:· No additional questions.· But I 11· ·appreciate everyone's time tonight in coming out and 12· ·giving your public input. 13· · · · · MR. JEARLS:· The Rate Commission staff will 14· ·please announce those who have requested to speak. 15· ·Those wishing to speak, please remember to state your 16· ·name and address -- we've already gone through all of 17· ·that. 18· · · · · The next public hearing is scheduled for 19· ·tomorrow, Tuesday, June 27 at 5:30 p.m.· The hearing 20· ·will be held at the headquarters of Metropolitan St. 21· ·Louis Sewer District. 22· · · · · The address to MSD's headquarters is 2350 Market 23· ·Street, St. Louis, Missouri 63103.· At this time, the 24· ·public hearing is now adjourned.· Thank you. 25· · · · (WHEREIN, the hearing concluded at 7:52 p.m.) Page 44 ·1· · · · · · · · · · CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER ·2 · · ·STATE OF MISSOURI· · ) ·3· · · · · · · · · · · · ) ss. · · ·CITY OF BRIDGETON· · ) ·4 ·5 ·6· ·I, Georgia B. 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